Kenapa Syi'ah di bantai?

[sedgedjenar]

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ka'bahnya dipindah kemana mbah..?

tetep di arab koq
saya cuman bcanda

[Fere]

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trus shalatnya masih pake nungging
apa enggak mbah..?

[sedgedjenar]

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trus shalatnya masih pake nungging
apa enggak mbah..?

Ada yg masih nungging, ada juga yg nggak

[Fere]

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wah jadi ada toh shalat ndak pake sujud, ndak pake ruku'..?
trus shalatnya gimana mbah..?

[Ronggolawe]

Shalat Jenazah

[Fere]

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Bener juga sih..

Tapi bukan itu yg gw tanyain. Cuman kepengen tau bedanya
rukun shalat bagi 2 golongan orang di bawah ini..

ya beda dong sholatnya
kalo masih blm selese beragama sholatnya masih nungging, ka'bahnya masih di arab
kalo dah selese beragamanya masih sholat, tapiii.... hmmm hmmm..

[Ronggolawe]

kekeke..
kalau yang itu seperti gw bilang ngga usah ditanya,
wong sudah ketemu tuhan kok, jadi sudah punya a
turan shalat jalur khusus

[Fere]

Masih penasaran soalnya..

[sedgedjenar]

Ya lha, masa orang kristen sholatnya nungging2. Bisa2 dicap nyeleneh, murtad, kafir dan membuat terguncang.

[ndableg]

Semua sama...

"These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping." – Qur’an English Translation [19:58]

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)

"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:8)

“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22)

And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

"And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Ezekiel 9:8)

"And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (2 Chronicles 20:18)

"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Ezekiel 11:13)

[sedgedjenar]

Wah, yg nyamain tuhan semua agama aja blm kelar dikunyah. Ini nyamain nungging2 semua agama.



Awas keloloden!

[ndableg]

asal jangan ikut nungging diatasnya aja.. jadi monon..

[Fere]

Pernah denger sebuah cerita..

Jadi ceritanya seorang Gus ato Mbah ditanya kenapa kok keliatanya nggak pernah
shalat, nggak pernah jum'atan juga. Lalu si Mbah menjawab meskipun fisiknya lagi
ada di rumah, ongkang2 kaki sambil ngopi dan udut, tapi ruhnya lagi ada di Mekkah,
shalat bareng Syeh2 mahsyur lainnya..

Mungkin ini yang dimaksud sama mbah sege..

[Ronggolawe]

hush...
itu ilmu rahasia (umum) para shaikh masyur ....

[sedgedjenar]

Gak apa2, namanya aja mungkin.
Mungkin iya, mungkin juga tidak.
Mungkin syekh mastur, mungkin kaga.

Mungkin lho yaaaa....

[Fere]

Wah.. padahal beneran pengen tau..

Tapi jawabannya ngambang mulu,
yasudah lah..

[tuscany]

ini dari Syiah dibantai kenapa jadinya mbahas rukun solat

sebenarnya aku juga heran, kenapa ada istilah "orang yang sudah selesai beragama". apa maksudnya selesai beragama? udah nggak beragama lagi? terus ngapain masi solat?

[Alip]

Saya pernah mampir sholat Jum'at dalam perjalanan dinas balik ke Balikpapan dari Muara Teweh, kira-kira dua hari perjalanan darat. Selesai sholat, seorang syekh membagi-bagikan semacam roti canai panas yang katanya dia beli dari Mekkah, secara dia baru pulang sholat Jum'at di sana (yang menjelaskan kenapa tadi dia gak kelihatan sholat Jum'at).

Dalam mobil sambil ngunyah roti canai-nya, teman-teman sibuk membicarakan kesaktian si Syekh... sedangkan saya berpikir, coba kita tunda perjalanan empat jam lagi, yaitu ketika di Mekkah sholat Jum'at baru benar-benar dimulai... mungkin kita bisa dapat roti canai dua kali...


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btw, nice post Fere... beberapa kristen ortodoks juga memiliki ritual serupa...

[sedgedjenar]

ini dari Syiah dibantai kenapa jadinya mbahas rukun solat

sebenarnya aku juga heran, kenapa ada istilah "orang yang sudah selesai beragama".

Mau tau tuhan, ada di agama.
Mau tau alam semesta, ada di agama.
Agama itu, buat saya, seperti jenjang pendidikan yg ada waktunya untuk slese. Semua tuntas dipelajari.

Dari uraian tsb diatas maka timbul istilah selesai beragama.

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apa maksudnya selesai beragama? udah nggak beragama lagi? terus ngapain masi solat?

Ini logika yg bagus.
Supaya kalo ada orang yg gak sholat tidak lantas langsung dikasih label kafir,sesat,neraka jahanam. Sapa tau aja dia orang yg sudah tamat pelajaran agamanya.

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Saya pernah mampir sholat Jum'at dalam perjalanan dinas balik ke Balikpapan dari Muara Teweh, kira-kira dua hari perjalanan darat. Selesai sholat, seorang syekh membagi-bagikan semacam roti canai panas yang katanya dia beli dari Mekkah, secara dia baru pulang sholat Jum'at di sana (yang menjelaskan kenapa tadi dia gak kelihatan sholat Jum'at).

Dalam mobil sambil ngunyah roti canai-nya, teman-teman sibuk membicarakan kesaktian si Syekh... sedangkan saya berpikir, coba kita tunda perjalanan empat jam lagi, yaitu ketika di Mekkah sholat Jum'at baru benar-benar dimulai... mungkin kita bisa dapat roti canai dua kali...


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btw, nice post Fere... beberapa kristen ortodoks juga memiliki ritual serupa...

Wah, syekhnya itu dikejar banyak orang buat pengen tau gak tuh? (buat belajar)

[opera]

klo udah tamat, trus lanjut kemana om?
ada ekskulnya atau bisa ambil s2 gitu?