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    ini strategi yang ditekankan oleh cha_n

    Kill quiet people.
    Quiet people are dangerous. Being unobserved is great for a werewolf. A villager who doesn't express their opinion doesn't give you any nformation except their vote, and you need information. If somebody isn't
    providing that information, they aren't helping the village survive. A quiet player is either useless or a werewolf, so killing them is a good decision either way. This is especially true in the early rounds, when the information available is pretty scant.

    Analyze the situation for yourself
    Even though it's important for the villagers to create consensus, that consensus can be manipulated, and will. You need to keep an independent mind.
    karena itu, yang belum bersuara, diharapkan segera berpendapat biar memudahkan warga juga dalam menganalisis situasi
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    Quote Originally Posted by heihachiro View Post
    cha_n milih tsu, cha_n dipilih oleh tuscany
    Quote Originally Posted by gogon View Post
    seinget gw cha_n "mengamini" tudingan nudel ke tsu..
    tsu = tim evil A
    tuscany = tim evil A

    nudel dan cha_n menuduh tsu => sakses
    tsu terancam, tuscany mencoba menyelamatkan tsu

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    sependapat dgn giku. Chan sebenernya termasuk yg directly stated useful strategy to bash evil team. Thats why perlu dimusnahkan karena terlalu berbahaya. Bukan begitu, tsu? *wink

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    Quote Originally Posted by kupo View Post
    selain keceplosan soal PM2 an kemarin apakah ada bukti yang lain?..
    tsu bilang dia adalah orang yang menjunjung tinggi peraturan, dan bekerja di lingkungan yang strict soal aturan. saya lihat tsu juga bukan orang yang mudah berbohong, jadi dia bisa PM-PM-an sesuai dengan aturan yang berlaku, yaitu either evils or twins or both

    makanya tsu, saya masih akan vote dirimu di fase siang ini, makanya saya juga butuh penjelasan dari tsu dengan jelas, apakah tsu bisa berkomunikasi dengan pemain lain di luar thread ini? jangan ngasi jawaban diplomatis matjem menjunjung tinggi aturan. kalo emang twins, ngaku aja, tapi kembarannya jangan ngaku dulu, kecuali ada informasi yang tidak benar tersampaikan
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    sepertinya artikel yang di post cha_n mengganggu evil team
    mereka gak mau artikel itu dibahas lebih lanjut

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsu View Post
    btw, sudah bisa kirim2an PM sekarang ?
    Gue nangkapnya apakah sudah bisa kirim PM untuk voting, eksekusi, dkk..
    Jadi tidak harus ke sesama pemain.

    Tapi aku menunggu jawaban Tsu.

    Jadi, apakah kita akan membahas perbaikan strateginya Cha_n?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kupo View Post
    selain keceplosan soal PM2 an kemarin apakah ada bukti yang lain?..
    over-defense ketika dituduh oleh nudel.
    mengingatkan akan peran gw dulu ketika dituduh sama villagers.
    itu sebenarnya point gw ngevote dia.
    tapi putaran ini gw blum tentu milih dia lagi. liat2 perkembangan dulu.
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    btw player yg ngga ngevote 2x berturut2 otomatis gugur khan? jadi kita ga perlu cape2 ngurusin player pasif donk .. ntar jg dia mati sendiri

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    oh quiet people maksudnya diem2an aja tapi tetep ngevote yah.. ic, sorry then.

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    bisa jadi jarang posting disini trus kemarin ga vote, hari ini vote. besok ga vote
    dan itu pemain bisa tetep jalan terus tanpa gugur dan ga terlalu diperhatikan warga

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    seer dan paranormal ada ga sih yang menanyakan identitas tsu ke kaine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiKu View Post
    tsu = tim evil A
    tuscany = tim evil A

    nudel dan cha_n menuduh tsu => sakses
    tsu terancam, tuscany mencoba menyelamatkan tsu
    dan klo gak salah, ndugu kemaren malem bilang
    klo tuscany sedang private messaging ketika dilihat menggunakan who is online

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    saya juga butuh penjelasan kokom nih

    kokom kemaren juga sempat mencurigai cha_n karena status mahasiswa + ibu2-nya, juga sempat membela tsu sehingga perhatian sempat teralihkan

    sekarang situasinya begini, menurut kokom gimana?
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    saya kan sudah jelaskan semuanya di halaman2 belakang
    tolong dibaca lagi, saya rasa penjelasan saya sudah jelas

    I never bent teh rules

    dan RIP chan, saya tidak menyangka kalau para evil membunuh dia
    it has nothing to do with me tho.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndugu View Post
    seer dan paranormal ada ga sih yang menanyakan identitas tsu ke kaine?
    moga-moga ronggo ato cha_n bukan seer ato paranormal ya..

    kalo seren kayaknya emang vigilante ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsu View Post
    saya kan sudah jelaskan semuanya di halaman2 belakang
    tolong dibaca lagi, saya rasa penjelasan saya sudah jelas

    I never bent teh rules

    dan RIP chan, saya tidak menyangka kalau para evil membunuh dia
    it has nothing to do with me tho.....
    as evil (or twins) you didn't bent the rules for having communication with other player outside the thread

    now the question, did you communicate with other player outside the thread?
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    kalau saya sudah bilang saya tidak melanggar aturan, mestinya bisa ambil kesimpulan kan ?

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    seren saya pribadi sih cukup yakin bener vigilante
    ronggo dan chan apakah mempunyai kemampuan spesial, itu saya ngga tau. ronggo kan dibunuh warga kan, jadi kemungkinan evil juga masih ada. tapi koroner harusnya lebih tau.

    duh, saya harus pamit lagi deh
    it's been a long day. ntar sore/malem nimbrung lagi ya
    go easy on the discussion, biar besok ga pusing ngikutin percakapannya yang berhalaman2

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    cha_n korban yak? RIP. cha_n
    kayaknya posisi cha_n dicium juga oleh EVIL.

    gw yakin cha_n bukan EVIL sejak awal,
    kenapa? karena tersirat dari apa yang dia gugling dan hasilnya dia posting di sini.
    cha_n berkemampuan/punya ability. itu terbaca dari keyword yang dia pake saat gugling.

    Quote Originally Posted by cha_n View Post
    Iseng googling

    Okay, so the BEST village strategy EVER:

    1) The HEALER must heal him or herself on the first night. This ensures the healer is alive on day one, and everyone in the village will know that.

    2) The SEER must reveal him or herself on the first day, immediately upon awakening, assuming they have not been killed. (WEREWOLVES have only a 1/10 or 1/9 chance of successfully killing the SEER randomly on the first night, so in the vast majority of games, the SEER is still alive.) There should be no discussion, no thinking, the SEER must simply REVEAL their identity. They should also say what they learned in the night (who they investigated, and what they found out.) At this point, one of two things will happen: Someone else will claim to be the SEER, or no one else will claim to be the SEER. If no one else claims to be the SEER, no problem, the village trusts the SEER. (Keep the other option in mind for a moment, we’ll come back to it)

    3) At this point, the OTHER VILLAGERS should accept that this is the real SEER and trust all information the SEER provides for the rest of the game. The SEER becomes a de facto leader of the village. The VILLAGERS can advise the SEER on who to investigate based on their suspicions.

    4) The HEALER must heal the SEER every single night, no matter what.

    5) If the VILLAGE attempts to lynch the HEALER, the HEALER should out themselves as the healer only as a last resort if it looks like they are going to lose the vote. They should plead not to be lynched, hopefully save themselves from the lynching, and then alternate between healing themselves and the SEER randomly each night, thwarting WEREWOLF efforts to get one of them and prolonging the number of rounds the seer has to investigate.

    6) The SEER must reveal what they found out straightaway every single day, no matter what. The VILLAGE should reseat itself, for visual clarity: safe “investigated” players who are proven villagers sit together with the SEER, uninvestigated/unsafe players sit together awaiting their fate.

    7) If the WEREWOLVES got the SEER on the first night, then normal Werewolf odds apply. This would be 100% effective if the SEER couldn’t’ be killed on the first night; averaging normal village success rates (~55%) with the perfect success rate at the right weights (90% of the time the SEER isn’t killed the first round) results in a success rate of 95.5% for villagers under this strategy, NOT allowing for awesome and unlikely Werewolf counterstrategy. Which goes as follows…

    If a VILLAGE plays this way, the WEREWOLVES have only a few viable strategies to stop their inevitable discovery and lynching.
    kita baca ulang, di sana berulang kali tertulis SEER.
    di tempat kita tidak ada HEALER.
    jadi gw rasa cha_n adalah SEER.
    masalahnya apakah cha_n SEER asli atau SEER gila?

    err saya hanya menggunakan logika dan memposisikan diri sebagai cha_n
    dan melihat fakta apa yang dituliskan oleh cha_n.

    nguli dulu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giku
    tsu = tim evil A
    tuscany = tim evil A

    nudel dan cha_n menuduh tsu => sakses
    tsu terancam, tuscany mencoba menyelamatkan tsu
    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunus
    sependapat dgn giku. Chan sebenernya termasuk yg directly stated useful strategy to bash evil team. Thats why perlu dimusnahkan karena terlalu berbahaya. Bukan begitu, tsu? *wink
    Kok simpel banget yah? gak setuju ah

    Agree with chiro...

    Quote Originally Posted by heihachiro
    as evil (or twins) you didn't bent the rules for having communication with other player outside the thread
    Quote Originally Posted by tsu
    alau saya sudah bilang saya tidak melanggar aturan, mestinya bisa ambil kesimpulan kan ?
    You are still not convincing me, buddy. We need your analysis about other player
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    Quote Originally Posted by heihachiro View Post
    saya juga butuh penjelasan kokom nih

    kokom kemaren juga sempat mencurigai cha_n karena status mahasiswa + ibu2-nya, juga sempat membela tsu sehingga perhatian sempat teralihkan

    sekarang situasinya begini, menurut kokom gimana?
    kapan gw curiga ama chan?
    memang cha_n masuk kriteria itu mahasiswa dan ibuibu,
    kan saya bilang cha_n warga, karena dia iseng gugling cara berstrategi, ngapain cuba chan gugling segala?
    dan alasan knp saya ga curiga ama cha_n terpapar di atas.
    kemarin sengaja saya simpan karena saya ga mau chan dibantai,
    setelah disilangkan data gugling apalagi fakta hari ini.
    lebih menguatkan cha_n bukan EVIL
    padahal saya berharapppp banget cha_n kasih clueclue secara halus ke warga.

    list yang gw waspadai nambah 1, yaitu gogon.
    kenapa ronggolawe menunjuk dia?
    apakah gogon adalah pemimpin di antara EVIL yang masih baru?

    kemarin sempat bikin list, cuma masih banyak daftar yang ambigu.
    gw lebih waspada pada member yang silent.
    strategi dari awal EVIL sepertinya lebih memilih silent kali ini.
    sambil menunggu para warga bertumbangan.

    saat ini gw lebih banyak memiliki list yang gw yakini warga (lepas dari punya ability atau enggak)
    seperti yang kandalf bilang, warga lebih leluasa melepaskan analisanya. apalagi yang ga punya ability.

    semoga sebelum jam 3 sore
    kerjaan ude kelar semua jadi bisa bikin analisa.
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    why should I ?

    anyway, banyak permintaan untuk saya tidak make retorika lagi, fine i'll do it, mumpung tadi abis ngebantai nasabah macet

    why not chiro ? kalian tidak mencurigai dia ? menuduh orang secara perlahan dan berusaha membelokan opini kalau saya berkomunikasi diluar thread resmi

    sori lagi tidak pake pc, nanti akan saya quote kan

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    Quote Originally Posted by heihachiro View Post
    list yang gw waspadai nambah 1, yaitu gogon.
    kenapa ronggolawe menunjuk dia?
    apakah gogon adalah pemimpin di antara EVIL yang masih baru?
    chan pasti bukan evil, karena dibunuh luwak.. tapi status ronggolawe kan belom jelas.. bisa jadi dia evil.. jadi saya kira belom aman untuk mengikuti analisa dia..

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