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    so, the same religion, on different states may have different gods?
    baru tau agama ada fitur region lock juga
    and what about confucians?

    and the point being, dia ga ngehina/mencela orang

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    Ajaran-ajaran Tridharma (Budha/Tao/Konghucu) punya konsep "ketuhanan" yg unik dan beda dengan konsep ajaran lainnya yg beredar di Indon. Bahkan bisa dikatakan tidak mengenal konsep tuhan denga ke-maha-annya, tapi mereka punya konsep Nibbana yang unik. Secara kasar, agama-agama ini lebih tepat dikatakan nontheis drpd atheis.

    dan kenapa bisa diakui dan 'tidak bertentangan' dg sila pertama... uhmmm... mungkin karena "agama tua" dan udah lama ada di Indonnya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meliakh View Post
    so, the same religion, on different states may have different gods?
    baru tau agama ada fitur region lock juga
    that's the fact, it's just that you put your pre-judi
    ce before you read the fact first, that's all

    and what about confucians?
    what about it?

    and the point being, dia ga ngehina/mencela orang
    sapa? Si Alex? justru karena itu dia diamankan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Δx Δp ≥ ½ ħ View Post

    dan kenapa bisa diakui dan 'tidak bertentangan' dg sila pertama... uhmmm... mungkin karena "agama tua" dan udah lama ada di Indonnya?
    nah tuh.. tapi kejawen ga official
    padahal theistik juga

    sapa? Si Alex? justru karena itu dia diamankan
    iya, siapa lagi. ini trit kan kasus dia
    do point out dia mencela bagian mana

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    Menghina org aja bisa dituntut apalagi menghina yg dijunjung tinggi.

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    gak kebayang kalo org yg nuntut itu baca forum2 macam FFI
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    Di satu pihak sih, aku rasa ngebalas kata2 jahat dg kekerasan fisik mah ga boleh.
    Kebetulan di Indo kan ada undang2nya ya manfaatin aja.

    Ke depannya nanti diharapkan kedewasaan masing2 pihak la.
    Apaan coba kalo dikit2 nuntut.

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    Gimana kalo menghina Tuhan, dibiarkan saja Tuhan yang membalas?

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    Kalo boleh jujur memang masyarakat indonesia belum dewasa, keimanannya pun rata2 masih cetek, lebih mementingkan penampilan keagamaan daripada kematangan iman.

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    hehehe...
    Kematangan iman itu kan pengertiannya berbeda
    beda, Lan. Bergantung pada keimanan mana yang
    dianut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purba View Post
    Negeri ateis maksudnya negeri yg mayoritas penduduknya tidak peduli dgn tuhan, mis. Jepang. Makanya kalo ada uang, jangan naik haji, tapi kunjungilah negeri-negeri ateis dan lihat bagaimana kehidupan muslim di sana. Kemudian ateis tidak identik dgn komunis. Meskipun begitu Soekarno pernah meminta Mesjid Biru di Moskow utk dibuka kembali buat muslim dan Kremlin memenuhi permintaan tsb (CMIIW).


    sistemnya atheis? sistem negaranya bilang mentah2 gak percaya Tuhan?

    memang kamu sudah emngunjungi negara yang kamu bilang atheis? kalau negara2 barat bukannya memang sudah liberal...artinya bebas2 aja mau memeluk agama atau kagak? itu sih lain, bukan atheis

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    tepatnya sekuler, bukan liberal
    agama ga campur ma negara, urusan pribadi

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    yup, negara ngga ngurusin agama loe apa, itu uru
    san loe pribadi...

    tapi hak milik pribadi loe dipalakin... bahkan tabu
    ngan loe seumur hidup potong palakan, ketika loe
    mati, dipalak lagi nyaris separuhnya, baru bisa loe
    warisin buat anak cucu loe

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    ga ada hubungannya ma sekuler ato gak
    hak pribadi jauh lebih dikekang di negara teokratis, dengan justifikasi itu aturan agamanya
    ga usah jauh2 teokratis, "demokrasi pancasila" juga berlaku juga hal2 yang disebut di atas

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    monggo ditunjukkan negara theokrasi yang menge
    kang hak-hak pribadi, bro

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    females have to wear burqas, can't make their own decisions regarding marriage, and them being a property of her man after marriage, to begin with
    i could go on about gay rights, how well they're treated in the middle east
    or you just google it, won't be a short list

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    Quote Originally Posted by meliakh View Post
    females have to wear burqas, can't make their own decisions regarding marriage, and them being a property of her man after marriage, to begin with
    i could go on about gay rights, how well they're treated in the middle east
    or you just google it, won't be a short list
    Can't you see the contrary here?
    it's the fashion industry that supress women to
    show their body, silently and repeatedly, for the
    sake of bussiness.

    Can't make decision regarding marriage?
    Hey, they are virgin, bro...

    Being property of her husband? Did you ever see
    the Letter of Ownership which the husband hold?

    Gay right?
    Since when nature give right to the gay? Nature
    won't work that way... only asexual creature can
    survive that wat

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    now i can't tell whether you're being serious or trolling

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    it's all the same... pre-judice.
    In the past, all-non-greco-roman are barbaric.
    not long after, all-non believer are infidel.
    and now, all who are not with us are our enemy.

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