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di film2 kerajaan, para satria pada pakai baju tempur armor.
di negara barat pakai, china pakai, jepang pakai, india pakai.
tapi kok pas film tentang kerajaan indon, para satria pada telanjang dada & celana kain, plus bawanya bukan pedang panjang tapi keris yg pendek (lebih pendek dari pedang).
apa bener tuh, satria indon pada kebal gak butuh armor?
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udah punya ilmu kebal kayak si pitung
ga butuh armor lagi
n y a l i !
Iron Skin
http://images.wikia.com/diablo/image...lsIronSkin.jpg
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The harsh grasslands of their homeland offer the Barbarian people little refuge from the elements. Constant prolonged exposure to the sun, wind, rain and other elements has toughened their skin to the resilience of natural leather.
Iron Skin is useful for Barbarians that might find themselves on the front lines. It will bolster his defense by large amount making him more difficult to hit.
emang default-nya kerajaan2 di Indo jaman dulu telanjang dada kan, pengaruh kebudayaan Hindu-India
contohnya kalo baju penganten model Solo tuh mon, cowoknya telanjang dada kan ::hihi::
nggak juga sih Ray, beberapa daerah Indonesia juga bikin armor loh jaman dulu
Spoiler for armor bugis:
tapi emang yang paling ditunggu, yaitu majapahit, belum ketemu tuh bukti2 nya
terus, klo maju perang ya ga cuman bawa keris lah, keris itu seperti side arm, kadang ada yang bawa 2 biji
klo commander emang cuman bawa keris, tapi jadi commander jaman dulu berarti pasti lebih sakti daripada pasukan reguler
Orang indo kan cinta damai :cengir:
di keraton solo bukannya ada pajangan baju besi yak?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gdPu6sSDit...raton+solo.JPG
cuman kayaknya emang pajangan doang ;D
ngapain pake armor kalau pedang dan tombak tetep bisa tembus
oyah, kalau masalah besi, endonesa jadul kan emang pengolahan besinya gak sehebat eropa misalnya. jadi alih2 pake zirah besi, malah seringnya pake zirah dr kulit. suku2 kalimantan, nias, dll
di sumbawa malah pake... batok kelapa ;D
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7...awaanyagb3.jpg
kalaupun ada zirah besi, jumlahnya terbatas--hanya panglima dan kalangan raja yg punya, dan tipenya pun bukan yg baju besi utuh, tapi plate-plate gituh. berikut zirah besi milik kepala suku kalimantan
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bfe7HdJO0B...256-782748.jpg
bali:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/723...iorbali1yu.jpg
thread close ::hihi::
di serial india mahabarata, satria india pada pakai armor emasQuote:
Originally Posted by heihachiro
itu cuma 2 biji, sumbangan dari penjajah duluQuote:
Originally Posted by Δx Δp ≥ ½ ħ
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beneran gw masih nunggu armor kerajaan2 gede, macam majapahit, sriwijaya, demak, singosari
pasukan bhayangkara nya majapahit, terus pasukan tamtama nya mataram itu pasujan pilih tanding ray, kata legenda, gajahmada cuman butuh satu pasukan itu buat babat tumpas pemberontakan ra kuti
jadi buat apa armor klo mereka bisa bunuh lawan sebelum lawan sempat bereaksi
omong2, pengolahan besi kita jadul udah keren loh, para empu sakti jadul ilmu metalurginya udah sampai ke tahap penggabungan beberapa jenis logam, baca pamor logam, ato malah katanya malah bisa nempa batu meteor ala keris empu gandring itu
kalau buat keris, kan bukan hanya besi doang tsu--kalo besi pasti kerisnya karatan, apalagi keris sering dimandikan ;D
kalau utk keperluan baju tentara pake besi, bahan bakunya pastu butuh banyak--sementara buat senjata saja udah ngepas bgt--jadi prioritas buat senjata dahulu. jadi pake batok kelapa dan kulit hewan dulu :D
berarti ilmu mumpuni, tapi infrastruktur untuk industri masih belum ada, gitu maksudnya ?
pejuang sparta juga ga pake armor....cuman modal tombak + tameng doang
pejuang jaman dulu berhasil praktekin buku sulap superman
@tsu: kurang lebih seperti itu, selain emang sumber daya besinya yg masih terbatas pada masanya...
bhayangkara emang keren... *lagi baca novel Gajah Madanya Langit Kresna Hariadi... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by tsu
senjata jaman dulu memang gampang karatan, makanya keris biasa diolesi minyak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Δx Δp ≥ ½ ħ
Gaya berperang nusantara adalah gerilya dan sergap kilat. Penggunaan armor besi nan berat justru tidak sesuai. Apalagi dengan banyaknya sungai dan laut.
Bahkan armor bugis (yang kayaknya terpengaruh dengan gaya Arab?) pun juga jelas lebih ringan daripada armor samurai jepang dan tentara Tionggoan.
Orang indon jadul kan ilmu kanuragan nya tinggi2 jadi ga cocok kalo pake armor berat
armor yg berat2 cuma cocok untuk acara karnaval
masuk akal juga klo taktik gerilya. karena indon dulu banyak hutan.Quote:
Originally Posted by kandalf
beda dgn eropa, jepang, china. biasanya di film2 mereka perang di padang rumput / lapangan terbuka
;D
lanjooootttttt!!!!
@kandalf, armor jepang (yoroi) ribet di inner cloth nya, masih make hakama dulu, terus make kaos lagi ;D #referensitehlastsamurai
tapi.... emang selain di indonesia, nggak ada yang make olah kanuragan gitu yah ?
Maaf berbahasa inggris lagi
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Three hundred years ago, when Katariah became Empress, the first and only Dunmer to rule all of Tamriel, she faced opposition from the Imperial Council. Even after she convinced them that she would be the best regent to rule the Empire while her husband Pelagius sought treatment for his madness, there was still conflict. In particular from the Duke of Vengheto, Thane Minglumire, who took a particular delight in exposing all of the Empress's lack of practical knowledge.
In this particular instance, Katariah and the Council were discussing the unrest in Black Marsh and the massacre of Imperial troops outside the village of Armanias. The sodden swampland and the sweltering climate, particular in summertide, would endanger the troops if they wore their usual armor.
"I know a very clever armorer," said Katariah, "His name is Hazadir, an Argonian who knows the environments our army will be facing. I knew him in Vivec where he was a slave to the master armorer there, before he moved to the Imperial City as a freedman. We should have him design armor and weaponry for the campaign."
Minglumire gave a short, barking laugh: "She wants a slave to design the armor and weaponry for our troops! Sirollus Saccus is the finest armorer in the Imperial City. Everyone knows that."
After much debate, it was finally decided to have both armorers contend for the commission. The Council also elected two champions of equal power and prowess, Nandor Beraid and Raphalas Eul, to battle using the arms and armaments of the real competitors in the struggle. Whichever champion won, the armorer who supplied him would earn the Imperial commission. It was decided that Beraid would be outfitted by Hazadir, and Eul by Saccus.
The fight was scheduled to commence in seven days.
Sirollus Saccus began work immediately. He would have preferred more time, but he recognized the nature of the test. The situation in Armanias was urgent. The Empire had to select their armorer quickly, and once selected, the preferred armorer had to act swiftly and produce the finest armor and weaponry for the Imperial army in Black Marsh. It wasn't just the best armorer they were looking for. It was the most efficient.
Saccus had only begun steaming the half-inch strips of black virgin oak to bend into bands for the flanges of the armor joints when there was a knock at his door. His assistant Phandius ushered in the visitor. It was a tall reptilian of common markings, a dull, green-fringed hood, bright black eyes, and a dull brown cloak. It was Hazadir, Katariah's preferred armorer.
"I wanted to wish you the best of luck on the — is that ebony?"
It was indeed. Saccus had bought the finest quality ebony weave available in the Imperial City as soon as he heard of the competition and had begun the process of smelting it. Normally it was a six-month procedure refining the ore, but he hoped that a massive convection oven stoked by white flames born of magicka would shorten the operation to three days. Saccus proudly pointed out the other advancements in his armory. The acidic lime pools to sharpen the blade of the dai-katana to an unimaginable degree of sharpness. The Akaviri forge and tongs he would use to fold the ebony back and forth upon itself. Hazadir laughed.
"Have you been to my armory? It's two tiny smoke-filled rooms. The front is a shop. The back is filled with broken armor, some hammers, and a forge. That's it. That's your competition for the millions of gold pieces in Imperial commission."
"I'm sure the Empress has some reason to trust you to outfit her troops," said Sirollus Saccus, kindly. He had, after all, seen the shop and knew that what Hazadir said was true. It was a pathetic workshop in the slums, fit only for the lowliest of adventurers to get their iron daggers and cuirasses repaired. Saccus had decided to make the best quality regardless of the inferiority of his rival. It was his way and how he became the best armorer in the Imperial City.
Out of kindness, and more than a bit of pride, Saccus showed Hazadir how, by contrast, things should be done in a real professional armory. The Argonian acted as an apprentice to Saccus, helping him refine the ebony ore, and to pound it and fold it when it cooled. Over the next several days, they worked together to create a beautiful dai-katana with an edge honed sharp enough to trim a mosquito's eyebrows, enchanted with flames along its length by one of the Imperial Battlemages, as well as a suit of armor of bound wood, leather, silver, and ebony to resist the winds of Oblivion.
On the day of the battle, Saccus, Hazadir, and Phandius finished polishing the armor and brought in Raphalas Eul for the fitting. Hazadir left only then, realizing that Nandor Beraid would be at his shop shortly to be outfitted.
The two warriors met before the Empress and Imperial Council in the arena, which had been flooded slightly to simulate the swampy conditions of Black Marsh. From the moment Saccus saw Eul in his suit of heavy ebony and blazing dai-katana and Beraid in his collection of dusty, rusted lizard-scales and spear from Hazadir's shop, he knew who would win. And he was right.
The first blow from the dai-katana lodged in Beraid's soft shield, as there was no metal trim to deflect it. Before Eul could pull his sword back, Beraid let go of the now-flaming shield, still stuck on the sword, and poked at the joints of Eul's ebony armor with his spear. Eul finally retrieved his sword from the ruined shield and slashed at Beraid, but his light armor was scaled and angled, and the attacks rolled off into the water, extinguishing the dai-katana's flames. When Beraid struck at Eul's feet, he fell into the churned mud and was unable to move. The Empress, out of mercy, called a victor.
Hazadir received the commission and thanks to his knowledge of Argonian battle tactics and weaponry and how best to combat them, he designed implements of war that brought down the insurrection in Armanias. Katariah won the respect of Council, and even, grudgingly, that of Thane Minglumire. Sirollus Saccus went to Morrowind to learn what Hazadir learned there, and was never heard from again.
^armor kayak begituan di "Fus Ro Daa" sdh nembus om;D
Bener juga, mungkin memang semua kebudayaan yg berada diantara hutan2 tidak akan memakai armor yg tebal dan berat, misalnya suku2 Indian di Amerika Selatan, Afrika, India dan Indonesia.Quote:
Originally Posted by kandalf
;D LOL at Ronggo's post ;D
soalnya orang Indo light armor-nya lv 80 ke atas semua ya ::hihi::
#skyrimed
Bangsa sparta ga di hutan tapi ga pake armor, cuman pake celana dalem aja lagi ::cabul::
india pakai armorQuote:
Originally Posted by AsLan
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Dalam cerita Tiga Kerajaan, salah satu musuh Zhuge Liang di ekspedisi selatan, Meng Huo, memimpin pasukan berbaju rotan yang kebal panah tetapi ringan sehingga bisa buat berenang di sungai. Cuma akhirnya dikalahkan dengan api.
Definisikan dulu nih, 'olah kanuragan' itu apa?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsu
Kalau olah kanuragan itu ilmu pernafasan, maka itu ada di India, Tionggoan, dan Jepang.
Kalau olah kanuragan itu ilmu yang pakai mahluk lain (jin dkk.) maka itu ada di Jepang.
Kalau olah kanuragan itu ilmu kebal, itu juga ada di India, Tionggoan, dan Jepang.
Tapi olah kanuragan itu kan hasilnya lama dan gak semua sanggup. Jadi gak mempengaruhi kebijakan penggunaan baju zirah.
Itu mah versinya Frank Miller. Aslinya sih, tetap aja pakai.Quote:
Originally Posted by choodee
Snyder malah lebih dudul lagi. Bangsa Sparta terkenal dengan kedisiplinannya dalam formasi. Tapi di versi film, tiba-tiba para pasukan Sparta meninggalkan formasi untuk 'sok keren'.
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Wow, Mahabharat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Surya
Kalau di ceritanya, Adipati Karna itu punya baju zirah menempel di kulitnya.
Btw, film 300 fiksi dan nyata ada di tautan berikut: http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/300spartans.php
Kayaknya pasukan India yg asli gak pake armor deh