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ndableg
29-10-2011, 04:06 PM
Kenapa gw ga denger ini? Ato mungkin ada? Biasanya indo latah... Apa kali ini ndak mengerti essensinya atau merasa ga kena pengaruhnya ato gimana ya?

E = mc˛
29-10-2011, 04:08 PM
gak ada ;D

isunya juga kesilep ma isu artis lokal :lololol:

itsreza
29-10-2011, 04:31 PM
sepi-sepi aja nih, anak KM ga ada yang ikutan ya?

Ronggolawe
29-10-2011, 04:59 PM
Kenapa harus ada?
Kita sudah mendahului negara-negara latah itu 13
tahun silam, kok :)

porcupine
29-10-2011, 05:03 PM
udah ada kok...walo baru segelintir ;D

Saos: http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/occupy-jakarta-starts-off-slowly/472596

TheCursed
29-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Kenapa gw ga denger ini? Ato mungkin ada? Biasanya indo latah... Apa kali ini ndak mengerti essensinya atau merasa ga kena pengaruhnya ato gimana ya?

AGAIN ?!
Bukannya 1998 udah ? ::ngakak2::

ndableg
31-10-2011, 07:53 PM
Bener juga sih. Taun 98 itu kita protes karena kena krisis dan menjatuhkan pemerintah saat itu, orde baru, yg dituju adalah suharto. Tapi arah protes di amerika-eropa kali ini lebih dari hanya sekedar ingin menjatuhkan pemerintahan, yg dalam hal ini obama. Mereka, para protestor, sama sekali tidak memprotes pemerintah, melainkan langsung pada penguasa amerika... Bankers, orang kaya yg menguasai media2 besar.

Sptnya kita belum begitu ya?

---------- Post added at 06:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:50 PM ----------

Maksudnya belum sampe dikuasai/diperbudak perbankan..

AsLan
31-10-2011, 10:50 PM
Occupy Jakarta? apaan sih itu ?

gak dikasi penjelasan dulu ? intro gitu...

Yuki
31-10-2011, 11:23 PM
err.....menduduki jakarta?

demo, asal jangan rusuh aja

ndableg
01-11-2011, 02:58 AM
Occupy Jakarta? apaan sih itu ?

gak dikasi penjelasan dulu ? intro gitu...

Hehe.. maksudnya kek di amrik gitu loh lan.. Occupy new york, occupy wall street, occupy dll..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6cjl7TaWk

Tapi suasananya emang kek jakarta dulu sih..

Ronggolawe
01-11-2011, 07:54 AM
menurut gw, occupy Wallstreet akibat eneg-nya
middle class terhadap para bankir, masih sulit ter-
jadi di Jakarta.

Di Indonesia, dominasi ketamakan masih dipegang
para politikus, dan masih ada sosok-sosok yang di
anggap bersih yang diharapkan dapat melakukan
perubahan pada 2014 nanti, ibaratnya, Indonesia
masih punya sosok seperti Obama di 2008.

Keputusan JK menangkap Robert Tantular ketika
kasus Century tahun 2008 karena "Merampok"
menunjukkan cengkraman para bankir di Jakarta
belum sekuat cengkraman Bankir di Wall Street.

Kirie
01-11-2011, 08:15 AM
98 juga musti ada yang mati dulu baru mesiunya meledak kan.

Berharap bisa sukses dan orang kelas menengah ke bawah bakal setidaknya bisa hidup lebih layak, nggak dibebani sama ongkos kesehatan & biaya membesarkan anak (pendidikan, produk anak, dll) dan bisa punya rumah yang lebih baik. Jadi bisa kerja demi hidup yang lebih baik daripada banting tulang untuk hidup layak.
Tapi apakah kelas menengah di Indonesia, terutama menengah ke bawah (pegawai kantoran biasa?) bakal ikutan di gerakan ini, atau bakal diisi oleh kalangan atas, mahasiswa dan hippies doang (plus kelompok nothing-to-lose yang mungkin nunggu momen bikin kerusuhan). Soalnya yang masih berusaha mati-matian untuk jaga dapur ngebul pasti khawatir hilang kerjaan juga kan di masa sulit begini, apalagi mereka yang nggak punya banyak kemampuan dan pilihan.

Dako_Chan
01-11-2011, 04:14 PM
tujuannya apa occupy jakarta ini?

Yuki
01-11-2011, 08:45 PM
^
legitimasi penjarahan

aduh amit-amit, jangan sampai ::doh::

spears
01-11-2011, 11:04 PM
emang ada gitu?kapan??gak bgt

Yuki
02-11-2011, 03:08 AM
ya makanya jangan sampe

yg 1998 kan ujung-ujungnya gitu

ndableg
02-11-2011, 03:25 AM
menurut gw, occupy Wallstreet akibat eneg-nya
middle class terhadap para bankir, masih sulit ter-
jadi di Jakarta.

Di Indonesia, dominasi ketamakan masih dipegang
para politikus, dan masih ada sosok-sosok yang di
anggap bersih yang diharapkan dapat melakukan
perubahan pada 2014 nanti, ibaratnya, Indonesia
masih punya sosok seperti Obama di 2008.

Keputusan JK menangkap Robert Tantular ketika
kasus Century tahun 2008 karena "Merampok"
menunjukkan cengkraman para bankir di Jakarta
belum sekuat cengkraman Bankir di Wall Street.

Mmm.. Mungkin bukan ga terjadi, tapi belum tersadari saja. Yg diprotes dalam occupy wall street ini bukan hanya sekadar bank, tapi sudah sampe ke taraf sistem perbankan di mana yg diuntungkan ya tentu boss para bankir. Kalo di indonesia itu bossnya para bankir adalah IMF, di mana juga di protes di negara2 bangkrut macam yunani ato itali. Sedangkan di amerika sendiri adalah yg paling menguasai keuangan, yaitu the Fed (Federal Reserve Bank) di mana merekalah mesin pencetak uang di amerika.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU

Mungkin di indonesia memang baru terjadi bbrp taun kemarin, maka belum berasa lagi. Tinggal tunggu lagi tanggal mainnya yg berikutnya.

Kirie
04-11-2011, 05:03 PM
Di forum lain ada yang sharing soal acara Occupy di... Philadelphia kalau gak salah. Informal sih karena tujuannya tugas kelas motret daripada reportase formal.
Dari cerita soal dia ngobrol ke para orang yang protes, garis tujuan tiap orang yang ikut itu nggak selalu sama. Ada ide soal ngelawan para pengusaha yang nguasain ekonomi, tapi soal cara dan perwujudannya sendiri masih campur aduk. Nggak ada pimpinan dan organisasi yang buat bantu menyatukan pandangannya.

ndableg
04-11-2011, 07:47 PM
Yea memang sptnya begitu. Protes2 tapi ga tau solusinya jg, bahkan bingung sapa yg sebenernya diprotes. Mereka spt teriak2 tapi ga terarah.. kesian jg tuh orang amerika.. Menurut gw sih ini ga merubah apa2 di sana. Sptnya yg mereka protes itu terlalu jauh di atas sana.

Yuki
04-11-2011, 08:08 PM
baca koran tadi pagi, 1 dari 15 warga amerika sekarang adalah orang miskin

berarti gawat juga dong keadaannya

Kirie
07-11-2011, 04:24 PM
Yea memang sptnya begitu. Protes2 tapi ga tau solusinya jg, bahkan bingung sapa yg sebenernya diprotes. Mereka spt teriak2 tapi ga terarah.. kesian jg tuh orang amerika.. Menurut gw sih ini ga merubah apa2 di sana. Sptnya yg mereka protes itu terlalu jauh di atas sana.Tapi memang wajar juga.
Kalau mereka cuma punya gambaran kasar soal perjuangannya, tapi nggak punya jalur komunikasi terstruktur, informasi detail bakal rusak di tengah perjalanan. Berita mulut ke mulut kan akurasinya terbatas.
Sama ama perjuangan kemerdekaan, yang penting tau siapa musuhnya dan bahwa musuhnya itu... musuh. Habis itu gerakin semuanya ke tujuan yang sama. Tapi latar politik dan sebagainya belum tentu para pejuang di garis depan tau.


Kalau Tea Party katanya berhasil gerakin massa dari bawah dengan lebih efektif ya ?


Seandainya terjadi di Indonesia, semoga nggak sekedar pesertanya mau kayak para Anon.
Ngerasa banyak, didukung sama pemberitaan sensasional dan delusional bahwa mereka tak tersentuh hukum sekedar karena pernah beberapa kali kampanye internetnya berhasil pengaruhi kebijakan pencitraan. Ah, sama ngerasa bisa kabur tanpa konsekuensi karena cuma "satu di antara banyak orang lain yang ikut-ikutan"

E = mc˛
08-11-2011, 05:19 PM
Tulisan menarik dari Pemenang Nobel Ekonomi J. E. Stiglitz



The Globalization of Protest

NEW YORK – The protest movement that began in Tunisia in January, subsequently spreading to Egypt, and then to Spain, has now become global, with the protests engulfing Wall Street and cities across America. Globalization and modern technology now enables social movements to transcend borders as rapidly as ideas can. And social protest has found fertile ground everywhere: a sense that the “system” has failed, and the conviction that even in a democracy, the electoral process will not set things right – at least not without strong pressure from the street.

In May, I went to the site of the Tunisian protests; in July, I talked to Spain’s indignados; from there, I went to meet the young Egyptian revolutionaries in Cairo’s Tahrir Square; and, a few weeks ago, I talked with Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York. There is a common theme, expressed by the OWS movement in a simple phrase: “We are the 99%.”

That slogan echoes the title of an article that I recently published, entitled “Of the 1%, for the 1%, and by the 1%,” describing the enormous increase in inequality in the United States: 1% of the population controls more than 40% of the wealth and receives more than 20% of the income. And those in this rarefied stratum often are rewarded so richly not because they have contributed more to society – bonuses and bailouts neatly gutted that justification for inequality – but because they are, to put it bluntly, successful (and sometimes corrupt) rent-seekers.

This is not to deny that some of the 1% have contributed a great deal. Indeed, the social benefits of many real innovations (as opposed to the novel financial “products” that ended up unleashing havoc on the world economy) typically far exceed what their innovators receive.

But, around the world, political influence and anti-competitive practices (often sustained through politics) have been central to the increase in economic inequality. And tax systems in which a billionaire like Warren Buffett pays less tax (as a percentage of his income) than his secretary, or in which speculators, who helped to bring down the global economy, are taxed at lower rates than those who work for their income, have reinforced the trend.

Research in recent years has shown how important and ingrained notions of fairness are. Spain’s protesters, and those in other countries, are right to be indignant: here is a system in which the bankers got bailed out, while those whom they preyed upon have been left to fend for themselves. Worse, the bankers are now back at their desks, earning bonuses that amount to more than most workers hope to earn in a lifetime, while young people who studied hard and played by the rules see no prospects for fulfilling employment.

The rise in inequality is the product of a vicious spiral: the rich rent-seekers use their wealth to shape legislation in order to protect and increase their wealth – and their influence. The US Supreme Court, in its notorious Citizens United decision, has given corporations free rein to use their money to influence the direction of politics. But, while the wealthy can use their money to amplify their views, back on the street, police wouldn’t allow me to address the OWS protesters through a megaphone.

The contrast between overregulated democracy and unregulated bankers did not go unnoticed. But the protesters are ingenious: they echoed what I said through the crowd, so that all could hear. And, to avoid interrupting the “dialogue” by clapping, they used forceful hand signals to express their agreement.

They are right that something is wrong about our “system.” Around the world, we have underutilized resources – people who want to work, machines that lie idle, buildings that are empty – and huge unmet needs: fighting poverty, promoting development, and retrofitting the economy for global warming, to name just a few. In America, after more than seven million home foreclosures in recent years, we have empty homes and homeless people.

The protesters have been criticized for not having an agenda. But this misses the point of protest movements. They are an expression of frustration with the electoral process. They are an alarm.

The anti-globalization protests in Seattle in 1999, at what was supposed to be the inauguration of a new round of trade talks, called attention to the failures of globalization and the international institutions and agreements that govern it. When the press looked into the protesters’ allegations, they found that there was more than a grain of truth in them. The trade negotiations that followed were different – at least in principle, they were supposed to be a development round, to make up for some of the deficiencies highlighted by protesters – and the International Monetary Fund subsequently undertook significant reforms.

So, too, in the US, the civil-rights protesters of the 1960’s called attention to pervasive institutionalized racism in American society. That legacy has not yet been overcome, but the election of President Barack Obama shows how far those protests moved America.

On one level, today’s protesters are asking for little: a chance to use their skills, the right to decent work at decent pay, a fairer economy and society. Their hope is evolutionary, not revolutionary. But, on another level, they are asking for a great deal: a democracy where people, not dollars, matter, and a market economy that delivers on what it is supposed to do.

The two are related: as we have seen, unfettered markets lead to economic and political crises. Markets work the way they should only when they operate within a framework of appropriate government regulations; and that framework can be erected only in a democracy that reflects the general interest – not the interests of the 1%. The best government that money can buy is no longer good enough.

Joseph E. Stiglitz is University Professor at Columbia University, a Nobel laureate in economics, and the author of Freefall: Free Markets and the Sinking of the Global Economy.

Copyright: Project Syndicate, 2011.
www.project-syndicate.org
For a podcast of this commentary in English, please use this link:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/projectsyndicate/stiglitz144.mp3

ndableg
16-11-2011, 04:56 AM
Sudah dua bulan. Kalo kejadian di arab, dapet berita tiap menit di CNN. Sebaliknya media2 macam CNN malah menjelek2an para protestor.

ndableg
17-11-2011, 06:27 PM
Ok saya tutup karena tidak relevan. Silakan buka http://www.kopimaya.com/forum/showthread.php?3005-Occupy-Wall-Street utk diskusi serius.