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beastmen85
31-07-2012, 11:46 PM
gw pikir ini adalah urusan budaya... dan, tentunya, seperti di film Minority Report (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/),
mari kita diskusikan
*sometimes im just monitoring ::bye::

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Teh News....
here


NEW GLASGOW - Twin brothers, twin offences, twin sentences.
David Scott Hammond and James Corey Hammond, both 20, were each ordered to serve a three-month intermittent sentence and 18 months of probation for downloading Japanese anime images and live images of child pornography.
The brothers were charged last November after their sister-in-law saw some "distressing" images of children "as young as two years of age" on two computers in the New Glasgow home where the twins resided, special Crown attorney Craig Botterill told New Glasgow provincial court Wednesday.
Both men admitted to downloading images.
"It's impossible to tell which young man did what from a forensic perspective," Botterill said. "Both acknowledge they had been accessing and downloading these images."
The images included "videos depicting sexual assaults of barely pubescent boys, around 12 years old, some pictures and cartoon drawings," Botterill said. Approximately 90 per cent of the images were of cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime, while the remainder were of actual children. An examination of the computer showed that one or both of the Hammond twins had done Google queries to see if anime was legal, Botterill said. While it is legal in the United States, Canada has taken a firm stance that the representations constitute child pornography.
Both Corey and David had been sent for a risk assessment through the provincial *** offender treatment program. David's report was fairly positive and indicated he had a low risk to re-offend, prompting the Crown to reduce his charges to a summary offence, which lowers the mandatory minimum sentence that comes with a guilty plea. Corey's report, however, was not as bright. The report's author said that Corey admitted that he was attracted to 12-year-old boys and sometimes, while walking down the street, "thought of using toys to approach boys of that age in the community, which is of some concern to the Crown," Botterill said.
An examination of the computer showed that one twin had visited an American site that assists people with approaching young teen boys and advocates relationships with young boys. Further, psycho-somatic testing showed that when Corey was presented with visual stimuli, he indicated strong physiological preferences to pre-pubescent boys between the ages of 12 and 15 and had strong responses to sexual abuse of children as young as eight years old. Corey was placed at just below a moderate risk to re-offend. During the course of the testing, he needed help, a sentiment he echoed during his court appearance Wednesday.
David's report indicating he had less of a predatory bent, but he also expressed a desire for help.
The Crown recommended both twins receive the same sentence, although the mode of trial was different for both boys.
A mandatory minimum sentence of 14 days in jail is required for a summary conviction of this crime - which David is subject to - while the mandatory minimum sentence for an indictable conviction, like Corey's, is 45 days.
The Crown pressed for four months in jail, saying the sentence has to serve as a deterrent for others and denounce the crime publicly as well as punishment for the brothers, but both defence attorneys argued against the sentence. Both defence attorneys pushed for a lighter sentence. Corey's lawyer, Steve Robertson, expressed concerns about how the twins would handle jail.
Judge Theodore Tax said that imposing a minimum sentence would not make clear that anime child pornography was illegal in Canada.
"The images creates a market, whether anime or live images, and victimizes the people that are most vulnerable," said Tax.

-mayonaise (http://www.ngnews.ca/Justice/2009-10-22/article-311775/Twins-get-identical-sentence-for-identical-crime/1)-


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Two twins who downloaded a variety of shotacon materials have been jailed for possessing “virtual child pornography,” with the judge condemning them for “victimising” imaginary children.

The men, both 20 and residents of the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, were reported to police by a sister-in-law after she came accross “distressing” images on their computer.
Police searches soon found a substantial collection of shotacon material on their computers, saying 90% were “cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime.”
The pair, one of whom is said to be an active homosexual, were subsequently charged with possession of child pornography, both for the minority of real images and their manga collection, which under Canadian law is considered “virtual child pornography.”
The state prosecutor insists that victimising fictional children is a very serious offence:
“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”


The judge was equally scathing, saying the drawings “victimize” children:
“This is a crime that victimizes young people around the world. It creates a market which then re-victimizes the most vulnerable in society.

The images can only be regarded as disgusting and perverse.”

The judge handed down a three month prison sentence for each of the twins, ordering they be registered as *** offenders, provide DNA samples and refrain from contact with children, presumably including imaginary ones as well. A *** offenders’ treatment programme will attempt to cure them of their deviant lusts.

In a final twist to the case, the court accepted arguments that the pair, having been branded pederasts for the rest of their lives, would likely be in danger if housed amongst the general prison population. As a result they get to serve their sentence only on weekends, and in protective custody.
Although drawn imagery depicting underage sexual activity is constitutionally protected free speech in the USA, and has been upheld as such despite a variety of efforts to ban it (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/07/20-years-for-loli-manga-%E2%80%9Cvictims-don%E2%80%99t-have-to-exist%E2%80%9D/), Canada possesses no such checks to the power of legislators, and consequently draconian laws against “virtual child pornography” are freely enforced.



and there... 20 Years for Loli Manga: “Victims Don’t Have to Exist” (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/07/20-years-for-loli-manga-%E2%80%9Cvictims-don%E2%80%99t-have-to-exist%E2%80%9D/)

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So, looking at images of drawn boys is “victimising children”? Does that mean you can get child allowance for drawn kids too? No? Too bad. And children wouldn’t get raped if shota wouldn’t exist? That’s interesting because
1. I heard (just a rumour) that children were victims of sexual abuse before manga existed and
2. Japan – where all the shota manga come from and are legal – has one of the lowest *** crime rates of all industrialized countries.

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oh my... i have to summon Galactus the devourer of teh world if watching shotacon is a crime :areyoukidding:

Bi4rain
01-08-2012, 12:23 AM
-weh...mata gw kayaknya mau minus, baca dikit langsung ada bercak cahaya en puyeng, jadi gw scan sekilas aja (dan tetap komeng ;D) -

dulu ada kejadian (vincent something??) yang order hentai manga dengan karakter loli via pos. Oleh kurir dibuka karena curiga dengan isi kiriman, kemudian si vincent (?) dituntut juga gara2 itu.
lalu banyak debat juga bermunculan seputar hentai manga ini...

yg jadi permasalahan karena karakternya adalah anak bawah umur, jadi ada rasa ketakutan atau bayangan pasti pasti akan terjadi hal-hal semacam pemupukan kesenangan pedofilia yang (mungkin akan) dimunculkan dalam dunia nyata. Sedangkan argumen sebagian orang lagi adalah justru dengan adanya pelepasan seperti manga ini maka orang bisa melepaskan imajinasinya danterpuaskan dari situ sehingga tidak ada alasan untuk mewujudkan tindakan nyata.

imho, yg namanya nafsu sulit dikekang, jadi baiknya sih dikontrol ketat lah peredaran barang beginian, jatuh ke tangan yg salah juga bisa berabe (dibaca anak bawah umur misalnya).
sedangkan yg membacanya....wah ;D
klo emang gitu cara mainnya (dipenjara, diadili, dsbnya) jangan tebang pilih dah sekalian aja yg baca majalah porno, penthouse, pleboi......

bisa2 penyewaan lahan penjara jadi investasi terbaru abad mendatang ;D

beastmen85
01-08-2012, 12:28 AM
^ nah, gw pikir spt di film Minority Report, dimana kejahatan yg belum terjadi, pelakunya ditangkap atas tindakan kriminal yg belum mereka lakukan

manga doesn't victimize children, pedophiles do.
It's like saying "But, the knife made me stab him!"
It just doesn't work like that :ngopi:

yes, i'm stand for all shota/loli-lover out there, because we simply abuse nothing :ngopi:

AsLan
01-08-2012, 12:33 AM
Jepang dan Amerika.

Kedua negara ini sama2 melarang pornografi anak, tapi Amerika lebih ketat yaitu melarang kepemilikan materi pornografi anak, Jepang tidak mengkriminalkan hal ini kecuali bila ada tujuan bisnis atau penyebaran.

beastmen85
01-08-2012, 12:35 AM
pornografi anak dan shota/loli-con itu sama ga sih? :ngopi:

mobyokuzan
01-08-2012, 12:40 AM
summon yuki kesini ;D

itsreza
01-08-2012, 11:21 AM
hukum Kanada terkait child pornography juga sama ketatnya dengan US ya

TheCursed
01-08-2012, 11:34 AM
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bisa2 penyewaan lahan penjara jadi investasi terbaru abad mendatang ;D

Setau gue, bukannya emang sekarang udah ?

Urzu 7
01-08-2012, 11:36 AM
Shotacon is always gay dari sudut pandang female reader;D
tetep aja baik shota/loli mengandung unsur child abuse.
karena itu mending liat yang genre2 milf aja:ninja:

choodee
01-08-2012, 12:58 PM
Ah Kalo gw ke amrik kudu hapusin koleksi shotacon gw donk ;D

Shotacon/loli itu jelas pornografi anak, karena pake karakter anak kecil, kalo hentai disebut pornografi, jelas shota/loli yg hardcore itu juga p0rn.

Masalahnya ya yg baca shota/loli itu belum tentu punya nafsu yg sama ke real children. Contohnya saya yg benci anak kecil real life ;D

tsu
01-08-2012, 02:24 PM
iya betul, itu para lolicon 2D ato lolicon idol, malah kebanyakan stress liatin loli real 3D ;D;D

Porcelain Doll
01-08-2012, 03:45 PM
iya sih, yg terlalu terbenam dengan ce2 2D aja, stres sama ce 3D asli -_-
bisa dibayangkan yg penggemar shota juga sama begitu

itsreza
01-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Setau gue, bukannya emang sekarang udah ?

iya di US udah lama.

beastmen85
01-08-2012, 05:18 PM
emg menurut kalian masuk akal yak kepemilikan shota/loli = crime?

gw pikir. jika gw seorang ilustrator shota/loli, trus gw gambar bokep sesuai yg ada diotak gw, apakah gw bakal di prodeokan?

mengingat itu adalah karya saya, dan saya adalah tuhan atas anak kecil yg saya gambar, dan saya tahu persis bahwa 'si anak virtual' yg saya gambar melakukannya dgn senang hati tanpa perlu di-abuse (sekali lagi, karena saya penciptanya)

apa mungkin otak saya perlu di halo-ed aka dimatikan agar tidak terjadi hal spt itu.

karena meski saya tidak memanifestasikan-nya ke real world, tetap saja saya melakukan abusing thd anak2 underage di dalam otak saya.

simpelnya, jika saya membunuh seorang obama di dalam otak saya, tanpa melakukannya di real world, apakah itu berarti saya seorang kriminil? ::ngopi::

tsu
01-08-2012, 06:29 PM
simpelnya, jika saya membunuh seorang obama di dalam otak saya, tanpa melakukannya di real world, apakah itu berarti saya seorang kriminil? ::ngopi::

klo menurut Dept. of PreCrime ya

;D

AsLan
01-08-2012, 06:56 PM
Kan diperiksa oleh psikolog dulu kira2 lu berbahaya bagi anak2 di dunia real ato gak.

Lu akan diperiksa oleh dokter, dipasangin lonceng trus dikasi liat gambar bocah bugil,
Kalo loncengnya berbunyi lu masuk penjara...

Yuki
01-08-2012, 08:32 PM
^
hah? Metode seperti apa itu, kok saya baru tahu ;D

choodee
01-08-2012, 09:57 PM
Sebenarnya tergantung yg ngeliat, kalo macam kita yang otaku minded kek kita mah dah ngerti, tp klo orang awam, pasti udah syok, apalagi di negara yg sangat memperhatikan kriminalitas terhadap minor.

Sama seperti orang awam yg nganggep komik dan kartun itu untuk anak kecil (bahkan ga sadar yg dibaca anaknya itu hentai), orang2 awam itu ga taw kalo penggemar lolicon dan shotacon itu belum tentu pedofil, kenalan gw yg maniak animanga lolicon semua, tp bete kalo ngeliat anak kecil cewe kebanyakan tingkah, they think those brats aren't moe at all ;D

Bi4rain
01-08-2012, 10:32 PM
^ nah, gw pikir spt di film Minority Report, dimana kejahatan yg belum terjadi, pelakunya ditangkap atas tindakan kriminal yg belum mereka lakukan

manga doesn't victimize children, pedophiles do.
It's like saying "But, the knife made me stab him!"
It just doesn't work like that :ngopi:

yes, i'm stand for all shota/loli-lover out there, because we simply abuse nothing :ngopi:

exactly....gw juga kepikiran film satu ini. tapi tetap aja niat cegah dengan cara gini masih banyak flaw-nya.


Setau gue, bukannya emang sekarang udah ?

owgh...klo begitu maaf karena kekurangan pengetahuan sayah ;D
*baru tau, beneran....kirain tanah penjara adalah tanah milik pemerintah semua*

tsu
02-08-2012, 12:54 PM
exactly....gw juga kepikiran film satu ini. tapi tetap aja niat cegah dengan cara gini masih banyak flaw-nya.



klo psychic nya sekelas Agatha, kayanya sih ga masalah yah ;D